Jody Holland (00:10.295)
Hey guys, we got a great show for you today. We're going to be talking about time management and priority management. Quick introduction to remind you who we are. I'm Jody Holland got Mike Grigsby, a technology advisor on with us. Malia Grigsby, a project coordinator and Megan Slaughter, a communications strategist. My title that I made up myself is leadership strategist. Funny side note on titles. I didn't have a title for the first like five years I was in business.
And then a guy that worked for me is like, what's my title going to be? I don't know. What do you want it to be? And he, so he made up a title and he goes, well, what's your title? You go, Jody? I don't know. And then I finally did come up with chief visionary officer. I was a CVO and I it was funny. So that's what I went with for the longest time. All right. So talking about time management, time management's a really interesting topic. And I think we struggle a lot with
Meghan Slaughter (00:49.917)
Thank
Jody Holland (01:07.437)
How do we manage our time? How do we manage what's going on in our world? And Mike, you look like you've got something to say.
Mike Grigsby (01:14.847)
Well, this is a quizzical look. I am really, yeah, you read it right. I don't think we can manage time. It flows one way. We can't manufacture more. We can't grab more. We don't get rollover minutes. We can't manage time. But I do think what you might be alluding to is how we manage what we do with our time. And I think, I know that may be a kind of a, you know.
Jody Holland (01:17.452)
Okay, I read it right.
Jody Holland (01:38.69)
Yes.
a nuance, but it's still happening.
Mike Grigsby (01:42.001)
very fundamental thing, but I think if we jump off and think that we can actually manage time, I think there are people that actually believe that and they start freaking out when they can't manufacture more time. I mean there's 168 hours in everybody's week. None of us gets more, none of us gets less. It's 168 hours and figuring out what we do with it is what really translates into quote-unquote time management.
Jody Holland (02:09.089)
I heard Arnold Schwarzenegger in a speech one time. He said, you know, if you think that you can't get it all done, and you need eight hours of sleep, learn to sleep faster.
Maleah Grigsby (02:19.661)
you
Mike Grigsby (02:19.969)
Right? Right?
Meghan Slaughter (02:20.707)
Hahaha
Jody Holland (02:22.391)
And that's kind of, mean, I think the reality is we just try to cram more and more stuff in there. But how much of the stuff do you think is unimportant? So you manage a lot of projects, Malia. Think about if you don't have a solid game plan going into a project, what happens?
Maleah Grigsby (02:40.461)
And everything goes to poop.
Jody Holland (02:43.341)
Boop is the right word. Yeah. Yeah. That was a technical term for what happens. And I think a lot of it is, go back to high school projects, college projects where you're in a group and you're trying to manage how everything's supposed to work. What happens when that person shows up late? You have a plan, you have 30 minutes to work on the plan and somebody's 15 minutes late.
Mike Grigsby (02:44.673)
This is the G rated version.
Jody Holland (03:07.991)
And so now you've waited on this person. You have just killed 15 minutes for everybody else in the group. And you have 15 minutes to get 30 minutes worth of work done, which usually ends up with you have actually five minutes because you get a chit chat for a little bit first too. So that's the part that gets a little crazy is that it's overwhelming thinking about how we're going to get it all done. And I have found step number one with meetings and time management, have a plan for the meeting.
Meghan Slaughter (03:25.006)
Yeah.
Jody Holland (03:36.537)
What are the things that we have to cover in order to make sure that we get everything done and then let's have our fun conversation at the end. If you have a fun conversation at the front, I know this is very task oriented of me, but if you have your fun conversation at the front, you might eat up 15 or 20 minutes, but you had 30 minutes to get the work done and you still needed 30 minutes after the 15 or 20 minutes is done. Megan.
Meghan Slaughter (04:00.78)
Yeah, I think the problem is that we stuff our schedules with so much that we want to get done, but we forget about prioritizing things, including your own self care. And I do think that you should be able to schedule downtime downtime or schedule those fun conversations. But I think what you were trying to refer to is that you need to schedule out the things that are the most important and most urgent and the beginning. Take care of those tasks immediately.
and then focus on the other things because I've even noticed like if I try to do just the quick and easy things and get those out of the way, it feels good because I can accomplish it, but I've pushed something else off in order to get that done. And then what if something comes up in the middle of the day that is an emergency and I have to focus on that right then? Well, now I've just pushed off the rest of my important tasks and I haven't gotten them done. So then I'm in a panic and I get overwhelmed.
And then it's just this constant battle of, need to do more and I don't have enough time.
Jody Holland (05:05.079)
Yeah, snowballs. go back to something, yeah, that's probably one of the things. I think great executives manage priorities. They don't manage time. And so go back to what you said about a lot of times you get the easy things like I can check a bunch of things off my list real quick. Well, there was a book that Brian Tracy wrote years ago called Eat That Frog. And I think Mike read this. I know I read this. This was one that we read early on.
Mike Grigsby (05:07.391)
And that's called Monday.
You
Mike Grigsby (05:27.689)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Jody Holland (05:32.889)
If you knew you had to eat a frog every day before your day was done, you wouldn't want to stare at the sucker for too long. And that was the basic premise of the book is if you have a tough thing to do, do that thing first. And the thing I teach executives is managing what you allow into your time is about managing your habits and the order that you implement those habits. I always tell people key three every single day, write down the three most important things you're going to get done for the day.
Mike Grigsby (05:39.883)
Yep.
Jody Holland (06:02.669)
And at the end of the day, write down three wins for the day. If your key three and your three wins are the same, that was an epic day. It almost never happens. But if you get it, you're like, wow, what a great day. But writing the key three down makes you do those before you do the other things.
Mike Grigsby (06:21.345)
I think one of the other things too that really gets people bogged down, and I'll talk about it in the framework of a meeting. That's what consumes a lot of people's days. We've gotten into white collar work and white collar work translated into meetings. How do we do this? think Led Zeoni put out a book called Death by Meeting, or somebody put out a book called Death by Meeting. I think one of the things going into a meeting is, this, Joe,
Jody Holland (06:42.681)
Those ones here, yeah.
Mike Grigsby (06:50.497)
kind of dovetails on the point that Jesus made. First of all, have an agenda. And I don't mean just the organizer have an agenda. If you are an invitee to a meeting, have an agenda. What is it that you are going to contribute? What is it that you need to take away from this? What is it that if nobody else shows up, you're going to do with that time or whatever the case is. The other thing, I think we get too wrapped around the axle around inputs. How many meetings are just about inputs?
with no action on the backside, no outputs, no outcomes, no action taken away, right? And so what ends up happening is you go spend an hour or a half hour, whatever the case is in this meeting and you're like, what was accomplished? What was the purpose of that? Why did, well, you didn't bring an agenda and you didn't have an output or an outcome coming from that. And so now you just feel like that's time wasted. You've got to be able to come prepared to it. The other thing, and from a practical standpoint,
Jody Holland (07:23.245)
We could assert.
Mike Grigsby (07:48.802)
I don't set hour long or half hour long meetings. I set 22 minute or 50 minute meetings. One, that's because my schedule is just completely jam packed and there's gotta be a bio break in there somewhere. The other thing is when I schedule a 22 minute meeting or a 50 minute meeting and they see me shut it off at that time, whoever is in the meeting knows that they gotta get whatever it is talking about because they only have 22 minutes.
Jody Holland (08:15.513)
All right. So, so far, set your meeting shorter. I think that's really important. Second thing is don't go to a meeting unless there's an agenda and you know what the point is. Go to our just make time course that we do. One of the things we talk about is how much time is wasted in meetings. 65 % of the time in meetings, executives say is pointless. So if you shortened your meetings by 65%, they would be much better.
but the average manager, like mid-level and up, is spending about 14.8 hours per week in meetings. If 65 % of that is wasted, that means we should only be spending, what, like four hours a week or less in meetings, and you would get so much of your time back. And then upper-level executives spend more than double that. If you're spending close to 30 hours a week in meetings,
And they feel like we're having meetings so that we can talk about what needs to get done, but we're not going and doing the thing because we're in the meeting. That's part of why I think technology and systems are so important. And I'm going to kind of flip this to Megan, because Megan does a lot of consulting on setting up monday.com systems for companies, building those out and then teaching them how to use checklists and priorities to get rid of the fluff. So I'll flip that to you, Meg.
Meghan Slaughter (09:40.174)
I just think it's so important to be able to plan your week out and your day out to stay on top of things. And so that's where systems come into play like monday.com. And I have several methods that I use for making sure I stay on track with my work week. I have sticky notes next to my computer. I have a physical planner, but then I also use monday.com, which has been a game changer for me personally and for the people that I've worked with on it because I can actually automate things within the system and
create checklists, this is how I collaborate with team members, I can manage my projects on here. And it's organized in one place, so you're not having to go back and forth with multiple people saying, I need this piece of the puzzle that you have, and then wait the four hours for them to respond to you, just to follow up with another question. You you have it in one location, so everyone can quickly reference where you're at on something, what needs to still get done.
who's in charge of doing it, that sort of thing. that has been really helpful for me. I like to put my recurring tasks on there because I think that those mundane things that you get used to, it's so easy to forget about them. They call them no brainers and that's because you don't have to use your brain for them, which means it's easy to forget them. So like I blog every single week for our website. I put that on my calendar every single week.
because the one day that I don't put it on my calendar, I'm going to forget to do it because I'm distracted with other things. So I'm setting my priority and like with monday.com, you can actually put what's critical, high, medium or low priority, which is really nice. And then you can change your views of that. So you can have like a calendar due date view, or you can have a view based on like which grouping for which project it's on. So it's been really nice. And I think that
many companies can benefit from that because our schedules are just so chaotic and we're adding new things to our own plates as well as to other people's plates. And so if you can have a system for that, it eliminates some of that mental load of the back and forth of communicating all of that by email, text, phone call, or otherwise.
Jody Holland (11:58.669)
And I think using technology in as many ways as you can, as long as it doesn't use you back is good. And so I talk about sometimes with email and you guys jump in on any of this you want, but I don't respond to eat. don't leave my email open all day long. I open it three times a day. First thing in the morning around lunchtime, unless I'm with a client and then after 4pm. Otherwise.
I'm not responding to emails throughout the day.
So Mike.
Mike Grigsby (12:31.445)
Yeah, it's, yeah. Well, I mean, it's, it's essential to know which tool to use and then to use the tool appropriately. Right. Do you text, do you use teams, do you Slack, do you use email or whatever the case is? think, I think teams should have a rules of engagement around those, those different channels. And then like, I've said this forever. was like, you cannot expect an immediate response if you send me an email, that's just not going to happen.
Jody Holland (13:00.845)
Not realist.
Mike Grigsby (13:00.927)
You might get a more immediate if you send me a text or our teams, but you can't expect it. Jodie, I'm gonna flip this because Malia has done something. I've watched her do this over the years. when I talk about being prepared for meetings, she does a fantastic job of preparing for meetings, but she also will reach out to the people who have organized the meeting and ask them what their purpose for meeting is ahead of the meeting.
Just one, partly I'm assuming so that she can get prepared for it, but she has been shut down. Malia, I'm kind of teeing you up so you can get the story right. You've been shut down because you've been in junior roles and you can't push back and say, this meeting is stupid because nobody has an agenda for it. So you have to move forward. So now I'm really curious now that you are the one leading some of these meetings.
Jody Holland (13:49.241)
We don't even know why we're getting together.
Mike Grigsby (13:57.206)
How are you helping the people prepare for these meetings or come and be more productive?
Maleah Grigsby (14:02.23)
Totally. He's speaking off of experience. He just got to witness this last week it was of like, goodness, we actually got to present our A game here. But I think there's a few different things at play here. One is I have been raised to truly understand the value of time. I remember my mother having our schedule set down to a T.
Mike Grigsby (14:06.633)
you
Maleah Grigsby (14:27.131)
we had to leave at like 7 52 to get to school at 8 05. Like she had it so structured, like she knew what time we needed to eat breakfast, leave the door, needed to be in the car by 8 52 or 7 52. So there was a value of time that's been ingrained in me for a very long time. And I will almost never be early to meetings, but I will almost never be late to meetings, because I've got it down. But I think
that gets translated to I value my own time, which means I then value other people's time and there is nothing worse than being in a meeting being like, my goodness, this could have happened over email. And like my time is too valuable to be thinking that. also, there's different kinds of meetings too that I am willing to kind of recognize in my pre-work of the meeting. So understanding is this like,
I need to be fully dedicated, kind of like fully present in this, or is this a like, can get a couple things done while I'm in this meeting. And I call it phone up versus phone downtime. Like phone downtime is like, I'm locked in, you have my full presence. Phone up is like, the notifications are still coming in and everything. So being able to recognize that ahead of the meeting. And then I also take great care and pride in understanding who will be in the room with me.
to know what kind of structure and facilitation is needed for the meeting. There's some people where it's like, wow, okay, these the smartest people that I know that are gonna be in this room. I'm gonna have my voice memos out and just recording the whole thing, because I know I'm not gonna be able to get it all in one chunk. And it's that I can come back and listen to later. Or it's, these people maybe don't fully understand the projects and everything, so I need to do as much work as I can to lay out.
not only just an agenda, but whatever kind of pre-reads or context is needed around the meeting. Meetings are really big part of my day just because I'm integrated in all of our different programs and projects. And so I have to stay up to date on all of these different things. But it also comes with, there's a level of organization in my calendar that I have. I do a digital calendar and I do an analog planner or whatever.
Maleah Grigsby (16:44.999)
But something that I have done because our whole team has visibility into each other's calendars, something that I personally have done is scheduling the things that seem kind of like Megan was saying, kind of no brainer of like, I actually schedule 15 minutes in the morning to check all, I call it my comms review, checking my Slack, email, texts, all of those kinds of things. And then I have before that, I do a morning mindset. So it's 15 minutes of just setting my intentions right.
all of that so that I'm ready to go through my day. And then the other thing I do is scheduling two 45-minute long meetings each week of, I call it meeting with future Mrs. being just talking about what are the things that I'm striving for, how am I growing in my faith, my relationships, all these different things, and especially how am I growing in my professional world. That's just me, though.
Jody Holland (17:41.24)
Excellent.
Meghan Slaughter (17:41.602)
I love that so much and I think that that's a key point that, you know, just listening to you, everything is intentional in your schedule. And so you're thinking about what needs to be done and then you're also reviewing what you have done because I think a problem that we have so often is that we are so busy all of the time, but we're not necessarily productive. And so if you ever take the time to evaluate your schedule and actually look at where you're spending your time,
You can get hours of your time back if you stop scrolling on Instagram after every single task or you don't do scroll on TikTok or you just sit down and do what you're supposed to do. And so something that I have found really helpful too, when working with projects is turning my phone off for 30 minutes. Absolutely nothing can distract me. So like you were saying, Malia with your phone downtime, just setting your mind to a task and not letting anything get in the way.
And I think that 15 to 30 minute blocks are great because if there's anything urgent from anyone else, they can typically wait 15 to 30 minutes before getting a response. So you just have to be so intentional with what you're doing and when you're doing it.
Jody Holland (18:57.335)
Yeah, I agree with that.
Maleah Grigsby (19:01.035)
1000 % and Megan, you bring up a really good point of like, this sense of urgency. Urgency is a choice. Like, once you understand that and you allow yourself to actually believe urgency is a choice, you can slow down. I come from dispatch where I know what actual emergencies, time sensitive emergencies are. And so this whole idea of like, oh my gosh, we have to get this invoice out right now. Well, it can wait, I promise.
Mike Grigsby (19:11.937)
That's good.
Meghan Slaughter (19:29.94)
Yeah, absolutely. And I think a lot of that is a lack of planning on other people's parts too. And so they make it an emergency for you, but they don't give you the same courtesy when something needs to get done on your end. So, you know, I've had this happen with clients multiple times where they're emailing me back and forth and I need this done right away. And then I say, okay, I'd be happy to help with that. I just need this, this, and this from you.
and then I don't get a response for 48 hours. So clearly it didn't need to get done right that second if it can wait for a response that long later.
Jody Holland (20:07.543)
Yeah. And they, they weren't needing it. They were needing it off their plate. And I think that's one of the variances you think about. And that's where, I do remember it was in seven habits of highly effective people, the quadrants for making decisions about what to do. originally called the Eisenhower matrix. Yeah. So urgent and important. You need to go do that if it's important, but it's not urgent. You need to go schedule that.
Maleah Grigsby (20:07.787)
Totally.
Maleah Grigsby (20:12.308)
Mm-hmm.
Mike Grigsby (20:12.545)
100%. That's exactly true.
Mike Grigsby (20:23.08)
yeah. It's an isonar
Jody Holland (20:33.473)
If it's urgent, but not important, you need to delegate that to somebody else. If it's not urgent and not important, delete. And that supports you. Yeah. So I used a vertical file folder system with a number of executives over the years. You know, the ones where you could put the folders in and they kind of stack up like that. And I did green in the front, yellow in the middle, red in the back. And it'll hold about three of each. So about nine total file folders. And I would tell them,
Mike Grigsby (20:41.727)
Yeah, file 13 that.
Mike Grigsby (20:52.203)
Mm-hmm.
Jody Holland (21:02.329)
Anything that falls in that quadrant one, it's urgent and important that goes in a green folder. Anything that's in quadrant two, that goes in yellow. If it's a quadrant three or four, it goes in red folder. If nobody asks about it after a designated period of time from the red folder, throw it away. And what most executives find when they have any kind of a system, you just need a system, but when they have any kind of a system,
You'll find that about 80 % of what you've been quote unquote scrambling to get done. Nobody ever asks about again. So you can throw away literally throw away 80 % of what people are freaking out about because they don't ever freak out about it a second time. And I would say you give it one to two weeks and then go back and review it. Get rid of stuff. It frees up a lot of your time and your thinking. also think go back to
Mike Grigsby (21:38.475)
Great.
Jody Holland (21:58.937)
You Malia, were talking about all the things you have going on, that cognitive overload. When people experience cognitive overload, it literally slows us down and shuts down our ability to solve things. So then we spend more and more time spinning our wheels. I think eliminating decisions that are what I would call unnecessary decisions are a good idea. And I do realize this may be easier for guys than it is for girls. I pretty much put a logo on every shirt.
So all I got to do is pick one of three colors of pants and one shirt and all my shirts go with all my pants. So pick a pair of pants.
Mike Grigsby (22:38.081)
That's like, that's like Geranimals, Judy.
Jody Holland (22:40.439)
Right. That's exactly what it is.
Mike Grigsby (22:43.202)
That's for all the Gen Xers in the audience.
Jody Holland (22:45.881)
Yeah, brown or black shoes, I'm good. So the more you can eliminate simple decisions and just go with something steady, the better off you are. That's why people like Steve Jobs when he was around. He's like, I like black turtlenecks. So I'm going to wear one every day for the rest of my life. And he wore a black turtleneck and jeans every single day. And I know a lot of executives that go, I just don't want to have to think about what I'm going to wear. So I'm going to get rid of that decision.
Any of the decisions that you can systemize free up time for thinking. And I believe that the most successful executives, protect their thinking time. They need time every day to think. And I would encourage people, this is what I've also helped execs with, at the end of every day, you need about 30 to 40 minutes to review what you did for the day and what you plan to do for tomorrow. And if you'll spend half your time reviewing the day, what worked, what didn't work, what needs to be moved to the next day,
Maleah Grigsby (23:16.632)
Okay.
Maleah Grigsby (23:21.583)
Thank you.
Jody Holland (23:42.477)
what can be gotten rid of. And then what am I going to make sure is on my schedule for tomorrow? You free your mind up in the evening. So you're not thinking about, my gosh, what do have to do? It's just done. I do Sunday planning. And I know a lot of people don't like that, but it makes my week much easier. If I will spend 30 minutes every Sunday and just go, okay, what do I have for the week? Am I ready? there anything else I need to do? Go through, review it, and then I stop thinking about it.
Mike Grigsby (23:53.355)
Yeah.
Mike Grigsby (24:10.517)
you know, it's maybe we should have a dedicated session to this kind of personal habits that we use to keep ourselves sharp. But for me, I take about an hour before I'm headed to bed to sleep is I'll start laying out. I'll start going through and picking out all whatever I'm going to wear the next day and get that. I get all of my, you know.
Breakfast stuff that I'm gonna cook I get all that laid out the night before and so that literally when I wake up the next morning I already know what I'm doing and I take that that last hour of the day to think about what the what's gonna be on the next day So it's it's an hour of shutdown That means that I don't have to wake up in a panic Trying to figure out what's gonna happen and that it's easier It is way way way more discretionary time and and easier to thrash on things at the end of the night
Jody Holland (24:53.794)
Mm-hmm.
Mike Grigsby (25:04.841)
as opposed to the beginning of the morning the next day.
Jody Holland (25:07.865)
100%.
Meghan Slaughter (25:09.538)
Yeah, and not only is that eliminating some of your time throughout each day, it's also reducing decision fatigue because it's another thing that you don't have to think about. And our day is full of those little decisions that add up and become overwhelming. So just by planning ahead, prioritizing things for your day, the day before, it can be so helpful for your time and your sanity.
Jody Holland (25:32.601)
I think that's a good ending thought for Megan. Malia, you have a quick parting thought, 30 seconds or so.
Maleah Grigsby (25:38.538)
30 seconds, remember that what you do with your time is your choice and that as much as you respect it, the people around you will also respect it.
Jody Holland (25:47.703)
Mike, 30 seconds.
Mike Grigsby (25:48.481)
Yeah, mine's kind of along the same way. you want to, if you want people to start respecting your boundaries, you better start respecting your own boundaries. Show up to meetings on time. Show up to meetings on time. on, you know, be, be, yeah, just be on time. Protect your own son. Yeah, 100%.
Jody Holland (26:03.619)
Be there, present. And my final thought is you do need systems. Systems manage people and people create systems. So you go create a system that will help manage you and keep you on track and everything starts to work the way that it's supposed to. So I know I just took yours. Is there anything else you wanted to add, Meg?
Meghan Slaughter (26:25.208)
think just you can find small ways to get back your time throughout the day and stop letting it control you.
Jody Holland (26:31.735)
Yep, control your time, don't let it control you. Thank you guys for being a part of today's episode on time and priority management. We hope you've truly enjoyed it and benefited from it. Make sure you share this with your friends, give us a rating and send us any thoughts on things that would be helpful to you. Until next time, Mike Grigsby, Technology Guy, Malia, Project Lady, Megan, Communications Lady, and me, the Leadership Dude. So we'll see you on the next one.